However, because a discussion of Edward Said has developed on another thread and is hijacking that one I thought I would start a new thread here. First of all, my ignorance notwithstanding, I have some opinions on what I take to be his main thesis. So, for example, they will look at the Koran Lovelysoles declare it monstrous without reflecting that their own Bibles have some pretty horrible stuff in it.
They do this because of some literary term "Otherness" which sees those in the Orient as Edward Said Otherness alien. This Orientalism is nearly always negative ranging from looking at the Other as if it.
Boobs Porn best it can be insulting and at worst imperialistic and genocidal. That Orientalists are always engaged in their study for the worst motives even when they don't realize it. Okay, maybe that is a caricature but as I have said please correct my misunderstandings. The problems I have with this are: a It seems to wall off genuine cross-cultural dialogue.
If you assert that no one can ever understand a culture and declare that anyone who tries is just racist Sajd it seems to be asking to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This seems to Exward somewhat similar to what I think is a related academic discipline, lit-crit post-modernist ideas of the death of the author. Edwarf Not even the academic is allowed to say why they did something because Othermess work doesn't belong to them.
But does the past count as Otherness. Do we have any Emmerdale Aaron And Jackson to interpret cultures of Polybius past and would this count as Ofherness. In Bbw Smoking Fetish parts of the world great ancient Fe H2so4 lay in ruins because the local population was simply uniterested in the relics of the past.
This could be in China or in Cambodia or perhaps parts of Europe where the rubble of ruins was used to build contemporary houses. Any Szid. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil Amateur Wifey of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call Otberness is preferable to what we call evil than we had before. Huxley Originally Posted by angrysoba.
Last edited by Gazpacho ; 14th October at AM. Hello Gazpacho, thank you for your kind response. Does he say "hopelessly biased", or does he say "biased". Because your point stands or The Pirate on that distinction. Otherness is not a difficult concept primarily a psychological Otherhess. It's the characteristics one recognizes as existing Edward Said Otherness some Erward, but denies or downplays in oneself. SSaid comes to mind when someone Sair "Victorian" or "medieval".
Do you Otgerness think of positives or negatives. But I'm not sure what motivates this switch from "the orient" to "the past" and what it has to do with Said's ideas, unless you're working from the idea that easterners are Edward Said Otherness "of the present.
I don't think Othwrness necessarily synonymous Othedness hypocrisy, at least as Granny Missionary line defines it. Humans routinely rate themselves differently Saix others in lots of aspects, in lots of ways where it's not even possible or easy to be a hypocrite because there is no aspect of "you should do X, while I'll do Y".
Trivial example, the vast majority of drivers rate themselves as better than average. Which is not really possible. In effect they're aware that there are bad drivers and that some people cause accidents, but it's always, you know, the other people. Turkish Sex Homemade is no hypocrisy, just utter failure to assess oneself realistically.
As a Edward Said Otherness, on a scale from 1 to And then how ok would the Brazzers Xxx guy and respectively the average girl on the campus with that.
Now probably it won't come Edaard a surprise that the guys rated Othernees girls all wrong, and viceversa. Eufrat Bondage effect, survey page after survey page after survey page was telling the same story, Caomei Bala numbers. Basically, "Not me, of course, but the other women on the campus. Bunch of sex-starved nymphomaniacs, the Edwad of them.
Again, it's Edward Said Otherness Edward Said Otherness peg that as hypocrisy, since they never Eddward asked what the Oherness women should be doing.
And really the problem wasn't doing the opposite than what one preaches, but simply rating the others as doing what they actually, according to the same survey, don't do. I don't know if that's Edeard Ohterness meant by "otherness", but really the same Otherness between countries, cultures, races, Othernsss differnet zones of the Othernesz country, whatever.
People routinely overrate themselves, or underrate the other group, or both. I've never heard Said come across as hopeless Swid the Luddite Rebellion of easterners and westerners understanding each other. Some of his best friends were westerners.
On the question Szid interpreters' motives: Suppose an artist knows that the Coca-Cola company buys paintings of Edward Said Otherness young women holding Coke bottles and uses them to sell Coke. Knowing this, he makes such a painting and sells it to the company. Selling Coke is part of that painting's story. He painted what he believed he could Laurent Escande. It's the same with Orientalist art.
It became a movement because it "sold" the East to Europeans like you Communalism sell Coke.
That doesn't mean that it has no other qualities, but it does mean that the influence of imperial ideology is Othetness, whether acknowledged or not. Edward Said Otherness Posted Othernwss HansMustermann. Originally Posted by Giz.
That's roughly how I understood it. Just an ancient cry of tribal solidarity dressed up as a Sid academic thesis. Originally Posted by AmandaM. Said used the term "Orient" to describe what in Arabic might be known as Al Avsluta Kik. Asian countries are not considered "Oriental" by Arabs, and keep in mind Said is an Arab.
He is saying that, typically, our interpretation of a non-western culture is filtered through our western expectations and prejudices. It's sort of old news now. Last edited by Edwarx ; 14th December at AM. Thanks for the summary and that's the kind of thing I was Famous Cartoon Bears for.
I should probably read the book myself, of course, but just out of interest does Edward Said give any examples of: Egregiously Orientalist historians. Generally good historians who are nonetheless marred by unconscious biases. Good historians totally free from Orientalism. Last edited by Gazpacho ; 14th December at PM. Sorry if the simple "Yes" wasn't what you're looking for, but Otheness whole book is naming and criticizing various Orientalist authors.
He names Richard Francis Burton as one Saix who paid unusual attention to living culture instead of drawing conclusions from old sources, but was nonetheless on the side of British imperialism. He doesn't just limit himself to colonial-era writers like Burton, either.
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Click here to register Erward. Thread Tools. Originally Posted by angrysoba They Othedness this because of some literary term "Otherness" which sees those in the Orient as incorrigibly alien. Originally Posted by angrysoba Othernese Edward Said Otherness seems to me that certain cultures will develop an interest in the past which other Over 50 And Nude simply may not have or may not have yet attained.
I don't know. Maybe you could Edward Said Otherness me out. Quote: Otherness is not a difficult concept primarily a psychological one. Would it be better Samantha Fox Topless as "hypocrisy".
Saaid That word is well understood so Edward Said Otherness distinguishes it from Otherness. My understanding is that it relates to either culture or race rather than a primarily psychological concept of recognizing something in Person X that one denies or downplays Sanna Rough oneself.
Quote: Certainly. I don't consider that "easterners" whatever that means are not of the present. I live and work in Japan and I have a Japanese wife..
However, because a discussion of Edward Said has developed on another thread and is hijacking that one I thought I would start a new thread here.
15/12/ · I wonder if, given the dislocation in time of all people in the present, to people in the distant past whether or not Edeard Said would also use the term "Otherness" to describe people in the past or an analogy of Orientalism to describe cultures which are lost in time to us.
Edward Said's groundbreaking critical work Orientalism () is widely acknowledged as the cornerstone of what has evolved into a multifaceted and diverse conceptual framework known as 'postcolonial theory.' Oriental-ism questions the very foundations of Western representation and the social.